Epstein: Depravity as Rebellion, Psychopathic Liberty, Defiant Freedom

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Understanding psychopathy and narcissism through the lenses of deristic thinking, control, and freedom provides valuable insights into why these individuals behave as they do. Their rejection of societal norms is not mere rebellion but a complex psychological strategy to cope with deep anxiety and a perceived lack of liberty. Recognizing these dynamics helps in developing better psychological frameworks and interventions that address the root causes of their behaviors rather than simply condemning their actions. Epstein: Depravity as Rebellion, Psychopathic Liberty, Defiant Freedom

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  1. 00:03 To my beusement, I found myself in the recently released batch of documents of Jeffrey Epstein. No, luckily I he did not reach out to me or invite me to fly to his island on the Lolita Express. That’s not the way it was. But what happened is the documents mention that Jeffrey Epstein has purchased and read my book, Malignant Self-Love, Narcissism Revisited. Why? Why did he do that? What for? Did he suspect that he were a narcissist? Is this a reason? It remains moot. The guy is dead. would be difficult to extract a confession To my beusement, I found myself in the recently released batch of documents of Jeffrey Epstein. No, luckily I he did not reach out to me or invite me to fly to his island on the Lolita Express. That’s not the way it was. But what happened is the documents mention that Jeffrey Epstein has purchased and read my book, Malignant Self-Love, Narcissism Revisited. Why? Why did he do that? What for? Did he suspect that he were a narcissist? Is this a reason? It remains moot. The guy is dead. would be difficult to extract a confession
  2. 00:52 from him as to why he went to the length of ordering malignant self- loveve on Amazon. Jeffrey Epson of course was a psychopath but he was intelligent, he was well read, he was self-educated but highly erodite. He was rich. He was famous. He had access to the best and greatest Why did he need all that? Why did he need the pedophile background? Why did he need the risk and danger? What in him drove him to this profoundity of self-destructiveness and self-defeat? Self-loathing. Was it self-loathing? Was it from him as to why he went to the length of ordering malignant self- loveve on Amazon. Jeffrey Epson of course was a psychopath but he was intelligent, he was well read, he was self-educated but highly erodite. He was rich. He was famous. He had access to the best and greatest Why did he need all that? Why did he need the pedophile background? Why did he need the risk and danger? What in him drove him to this profoundity of self-destructiveness and self-defeat? Self-loathing. Was it self-loathing? Was it
  3. 01:48 self-rejection or self trashing? What was the animating psychology of not only Jeffrey Epstein but all the people who did receive invitations to fly to his island on the Lolita Express? What has driven them to this depth of malice and evil? I’ve had this conversation with my wife Lydia Rangelovska the other day and I told her that I think that psychopaths regard life and the constraints and demands and expectations of life as a form of enslavement. They see life and reality as a kind of maximum security prison self-rejection or self trashing? What was the animating psychology of not only Jeffrey Epstein but all the people who did receive invitations to fly to his island on the Lolita Express? What has driven them to this depth of malice and evil? I’ve had this conversation with my wife Lydia Rangelovska the other day and I told her that I think that psychopaths regard life and the constraints and demands and expectations of life as a form of enslavement. They see life and reality as a kind of maximum security prison
  4. 02:38 and they develop this urgent need to run away to escape. In the words of Hervik Leley in the 1940s, psychopaths reject life not because life is uninteresting, not because life is not rewarding, not because life is frustrating. That’s not the reason they reject life because life is structure and life is order and life is rules and norms and conventions and mores and life is expectations and demands and life is a bit repetitive and routine and life is a framework an organizing principle. It is within life that one subsists, and they develop this urgent need to run away to escape. In the words of Hervik Leley in the 1940s, psychopaths reject life not because life is uninteresting, not because life is not rewarding, not because life is frustrating. That’s not the reason they reject life because life is structure and life is order and life is rules and norms and conventions and mores and life is expectations and demands and life is a bit repetitive and routine and life is a framework an organizing principle. It is within life that one subsists,
  5. 03:38 persists and sometimes thrives. But one cannot exit life or exit reality. This is the simulation. This is the these are the rules of the game. And it is a game in many ways. And yet one of the main clinical features of psychopathy is a rejection of rules known as consumaciousness. A rejection of authority, defiance in your face, my way or the highway. I am the only law of the land. I am a law unto myself. I reject the rules and regulations. I will not abide by your expectations. Neither will I meet them or fulfill persists and sometimes thrives. But one cannot exit life or exit reality. This is the simulation. This is the these are the rules of the game. And it is a game in many ways. And yet one of the main clinical features of psychopathy is a rejection of rules known as consumaciousness. A rejection of authority, defiance in your face, my way or the highway. I am the only law of the land. I am a law unto myself. I reject the rules and regulations. I will not abide by your expectations. Neither will I meet them or fulfill
  6. 04:23 them. I I am my own sovereign being and entity. And this is a very critical critical dimension even trait in psychopathy. It’s known as antagonism. It has other names dissoci and so on. And the pattern of behavior that embodies defiance and so on is known as reactance. The the psychopath feels that life is an imposition. He experiences life as some kind of incarceration, involuntary commission or remittance, something that is that comes from the outside and is a denial of liberty and freedom. them. I I am my own sovereign being and entity. And this is a very critical critical dimension even trait in psychopathy. It’s known as antagonism. It has other names dissoci and so on. And the pattern of behavior that embodies defiance and so on is known as reactance. The the psychopath feels that life is an imposition. He experiences life as some kind of incarceration, involuntary commission or remittance, something that is that comes from the outside and is a denial of liberty and freedom.
  7. 05:19 Whereas healthy people, normal people experience the infinitude of reality, the technical character of life as freedom. They experience life as freedom. They experience reality as liberty because it is so infinite. And there are so many possibilities and potentialities that one could never explore and discover. And so there is a sensation of an an inordinate number of degrees of freedom embedded in reality. Healthy people don’t see reality as constraining. They don’t perceive life as restraining. On the very contrary, Whereas healthy people, normal people experience the infinitude of reality, the technical character of life as freedom. They experience life as freedom. They experience reality as liberty because it is so infinite. And there are so many possibilities and potentialities that one could never explore and discover. And so there is a sensation of an an inordinate number of degrees of freedom embedded in reality. Healthy people don’t see reality as constraining. They don’t perceive life as restraining. On the very contrary,
  8. 06:01 they believe in opportunities. They believe in potentials. That’s healthy people, normal people. Psychopaths and narcissists to a large extent regard life and reality as exactly the opposite. A denial of freedom. an abscondment of liberty, an abdication of free will, and they hate life. They detest reality. They hold it in contempt and disdain. They fight back. This counterdependence, it’s known as counterdependence. this need to constantly be aggressive, violent, constantly um reject things, constantly conflict, they believe in opportunities. They believe in potentials. That’s healthy people, normal people. Psychopaths and narcissists to a large extent regard life and reality as exactly the opposite. A denial of freedom. an abscondment of liberty, an abdication of free will, and they hate life. They detest reality. They hold it in contempt and disdain. They fight back. This counterdependence, it’s known as counterdependence. this need to constantly be aggressive, violent, constantly um reject things, constantly conflict,
  9. 06:47 constantly antagonize, constantly engage in argument arguments and and debates and undermine and challenge, constantly sabotage passive aggressively or overtly aggressively. This this is by far the main facet of psychopathy. The only way to feel completely free to experience liberty to its maximum is via defiance, rejection of authority, consummaciousness and criminality. Criminality with zero consequences. Such dissociity or antisociality, such rejection of society, such abhorance of the of the demands and expectations constantly antagonize, constantly engage in argument arguments and and debates and undermine and challenge, constantly sabotage passive aggressively or overtly aggressively. This this is by far the main facet of psychopathy. The only way to feel completely free to experience liberty to its maximum is via defiance, rejection of authority, consummaciousness and criminality. Criminality with zero consequences. Such dissociity or antisociality, such rejection of society, such abhorance of the of the demands and expectations
  10. 07:39 of society empowers. The more you defy, the more liberated you are. The more the more you spit in the face of your society and culture, the more free you are. And this is this kind of behavior is uh restorative. It restores and it’s anxolytic. It reduces anxiety. And the irony is the more successful the psychopath, the more the psychopath feels that he or she is shackled. The more successful, the more stifled they feel, the more suffocated, the more strangulated, the more the more imprisoned, the more so of society empowers. The more you defy, the more liberated you are. The more the more you spit in the face of your society and culture, the more free you are. And this is this kind of behavior is uh restorative. It restores and it’s anxolytic. It reduces anxiety. And the irony is the more successful the psychopath, the more the psychopath feels that he or she is shackled. The more successful, the more stifled they feel, the more suffocated, the more strangulated, the more the more imprisoned, the more so
  11. 08:23 success is perceived by the psychopath as a kind of conspiracy. It is society that imposes success on the psychopath. Success is in the eyes of society. You you can be successful only through other people’s gaze. Other people define if you are successful or not. Very few people have an internal compass that informs them whether they are successful or not. Most people derive their sense of success from other people, from social structures, from tests and exams, from the amount of money you have in the success is perceived by the psychopath as a kind of conspiracy. It is society that imposes success on the psychopath. Success is in the eyes of society. You you can be successful only through other people’s gaze. Other people define if you are successful or not. Very few people have an internal compass that informs them whether they are successful or not. Most people derive their sense of success from other people, from social structures, from tests and exams, from the amount of money you have in the
  12. 09:02 bank. It’s all external. And because success is externally determined that psychopaths perceive success as something bad, something an imposition, something that come that is coming from the outside in order to somehow deny the psychopath the freedom and liberty he deserves. Don’t get me wrong, psychopaths crave success, but they crave a highly specific type of success. Success at the expense of other people. The only type of success which the psychopath perceives to be liberating, the only types of success which a bank. It’s all external. And because success is externally determined that psychopaths perceive success as something bad, something an imposition, something that come that is coming from the outside in order to somehow deny the psychopath the freedom and liberty he deserves. Don’t get me wrong, psychopaths crave success, but they crave a highly specific type of success. Success at the expense of other people. The only type of success which the psychopath perceives to be liberating, the only types of success which a
  13. 09:52 psychopath equates with freedom is the kind of success that undermines society, that hurts and damages other people, that abscon with other people’s property, that somehow establishes the psychopath as superior to other people. that allows the psychopath to appropriate and an annexate annex other people’s fruits of labor, other people’s intimate partners, other people’s intellectual property. What healthy people call success, the psychopath regards as enslavement and imprisonment. psychopath equates with freedom is the kind of success that undermines society, that hurts and damages other people, that abscon with other people’s property, that somehow establishes the psychopath as superior to other people. that allows the psychopath to appropriate and an annexate annex other people’s fruits of labor, other people’s intimate partners, other people’s intellectual property. What healthy people call success, the psychopath regards as enslavement and imprisonment.
  14. 10:38 What the psychopath calls success is what other people call crime. Criminality is the ultimate form of liberation. Crim the criminal is free. And that is why we have crime lore, true crime podcasts and movies because we somehow feel when we watch criminals, we somehow feel that they’re free, that they’re liberated. We somehow envy them and we admire them to a large extent. The we we perceive criminality as empowering, liberating, restoring, anxolytic and psychopaths even more so. Whereas with when we when What the psychopath calls success is what other people call crime. Criminality is the ultimate form of liberation. Crim the criminal is free. And that is why we have crime lore, true crime podcasts and movies because we somehow feel when we watch criminals, we somehow feel that they’re free, that they’re liberated. We somehow envy them and we admire them to a large extent. The we we perceive criminality as empowering, liberating, restoring, anxolytic and psychopaths even more so. Whereas with when we when
  15. 11:33 healthy people watch crime series or when healthy people read about criminals, they experience this hidden implicit ambient envy. But with a psychopath, it’s overt. It’s open. And so psychopaths would naturally gravitate towards crime. They would almost, I would say, inevitably end up doing something that if it’s not lawful, if it’s not unlawful, it is awful. Like even when the psychopath doesn’t break the law, technically speaking, psychopath would always break the spirit of the law. healthy people watch crime series or when healthy people read about criminals, they experience this hidden implicit ambient envy. But with a psychopath, it’s overt. It’s open. And so psychopaths would naturally gravitate towards crime. They would almost, I would say, inevitably end up doing something that if it’s not lawful, if it’s not unlawful, it is awful. Like even when the psychopath doesn’t break the law, technically speaking, psychopath would always break the spirit of the law.
  16. 12:18 We always try to find a way to circumvent undermine laws and regulations. Would always look for loopholes. Would always try to avoid adverse consequences or any consequences for that matter. In a world where actions do not lead to negative outcomes, that is a world where freedom is unbrid unbridled and liberty is total. And this is all part of what is known as daristic thinking. And I have a video dedicated to deristic thinking, but I will encapsulate it for you a bit. There is a theory called an We always try to find a way to circumvent undermine laws and regulations. Would always look for loopholes. Would always try to avoid adverse consequences or any consequences for that matter. In a world where actions do not lead to negative outcomes, that is a world where freedom is unbrid unbridled and liberty is total. And this is all part of what is known as daristic thinking. And I have a video dedicated to deristic thinking, but I will encapsulate it for you a bit. There is a theory called an
  17. 13:04 activism. An activism is is a theory of cognition. It proposes that minds are not just in the brain but the mind emerges through the dynamic embodied integration between an organism and the organism’s environment. In other words, what we call mind is not limited to the to the brain and and the skull, but what we what we we should apply the concept of mind to any interaction with the environment. So the organism extends outwards towards the environment and via interaction acquires parts of the environment, activism. An activism is is a theory of cognition. It proposes that minds are not just in the brain but the mind emerges through the dynamic embodied integration between an organism and the organism’s environment. In other words, what we call mind is not limited to the to the brain and and the skull, but what we what we we should apply the concept of mind to any interaction with the environment. So the organism extends outwards towards the environment and via interaction acquires parts of the environment,
  18. 13:47 integrates into the environment and then we have this hybrid organism which includes many elements and ingredients of the environment. And this is in an activism this is what they call the mind. And activism argues that organisms enact or bring forth their own world. And in this sense, cognition is a form of sense making rather than just processing information in a totally neutral way. What an activism implies is that our thinking is never neutral, objective, scientific, disinterested. Our thinking is always influenced by by integrates into the environment and then we have this hybrid organism which includes many elements and ingredients of the environment. And this is in an activism this is what they call the mind. And activism argues that organisms enact or bring forth their own world. And in this sense, cognition is a form of sense making rather than just processing information in a totally neutral way. What an activism implies is that our thinking is never neutral, objective, scientific, disinterested. Our thinking is always influenced by by
  19. 14:34 our craving for meaning, trying to make sense of the world, to imbue it with sense. And activism implies that all cognition is hermeneutic. All cognition has has to do with meaning. So we are less interested about less interested in facts. We are interested in how the facts apply to us or what sense we can make of the facts. So for example uh a door we would look at a door and we in in in the classical theory of cognition we would say this is a door in the theory of an activism we would say this is a door I can open it and go our craving for meaning, trying to make sense of the world, to imbue it with sense. And activism implies that all cognition is hermeneutic. All cognition has has to do with meaning. So we are less interested about less interested in facts. We are interested in how the facts apply to us or what sense we can make of the facts. So for example uh a door we would look at a door and we in in in the classical theory of cognition we would say this is a door in the theory of an activism we would say this is a door I can open it and go
  20. 15:23 through it that’s the meaning of the door for me okay now autistic and deristic thinking are the only exceptions to an activism because they are ways autistic and duristic thinking are ways of relating to reality to experience to logic and to other people which involve fantasy. Theistic thinking is founded on fantasy and autistic thinking is founded on fantasy. is a fantasy induced thoughts known as derism. In narcissism, the fantasy is directed outwards. So the fantasy emanates from the narcissist but through it that’s the meaning of the door for me okay now autistic and deristic thinking are the only exceptions to an activism because they are ways autistic and duristic thinking are ways of relating to reality to experience to logic and to other people which involve fantasy. Theistic thinking is founded on fantasy and autistic thinking is founded on fantasy. is a fantasy induced thoughts known as derism. In narcissism, the fantasy is directed outwards. So the fantasy emanates from the narcissist but
  21. 16:11 seeks to incorporate reality including other people. Whereas in an autistic person, the fantasy is egocentric. In other words, it is about selfabsorption. It’s directed inward. Both the autistic person and the narcissistic person engage in a fantasybased type of thinking. But in the case of the narcissist, it’s outwardly directed, duristic. The case of the autist, it’s inwardly directed and it is autistic. The illogical and idiosyncratic cognitions in these kind of people derive from an seeks to incorporate reality including other people. Whereas in an autistic person, the fantasy is egocentric. In other words, it is about selfabsorption. It’s directed inward. Both the autistic person and the narcissistic person engage in a fantasybased type of thinking. But in the case of the narcissist, it’s outwardly directed, duristic. The case of the autist, it’s inwardly directed and it is autistic. The illogical and idiosyncratic cognitions in these kind of people derive from an
  22. 16:54 overarching and all pervasive daydreaming or fantasy life. They infuse people and events around them with completely subjective meanings. They regard the external world as an extension or projection of the internal one. Such people narcissists aists border lines to to some extent psychopaths they often withdraw completely and retreat into an inner private realm unavailable to communicate or interact with others. And so people with with paranoia paranoise people who are delusional they’re the same. Now the psychopath overarching and all pervasive daydreaming or fantasy life. They infuse people and events around them with completely subjective meanings. They regard the external world as an extension or projection of the internal one. Such people narcissists aists border lines to to some extent psychopaths they often withdraw completely and retreat into an inner private realm unavailable to communicate or interact with others. And so people with with paranoia paranoise people who are delusional they’re the same. Now the psychopath
  23. 17:37 has deristic thinking. The psychopath’s mind there is a fantasy about the psychopath. And in this sense, psychopathy is indistinguishable clinically and psychonamically from pathological narcissism because the psychopath exactly like the narcissist maintains a fantasy founded on a self-concept which is typically counter counterfactual, typically unreal. And then the psychopath imposes the fantasy on reality. But here comes the difference between the psychopath and the narcissist. Whereas the narcissist has deristic thinking. The psychopath’s mind there is a fantasy about the psychopath. And in this sense, psychopathy is indistinguishable clinically and psychonamically from pathological narcissism because the psychopath exactly like the narcissist maintains a fantasy founded on a self-concept which is typically counter counterfactual, typically unreal. And then the psychopath imposes the fantasy on reality. But here comes the difference between the psychopath and the narcissist. Whereas the narcissist
  24. 18:21 imposes the fantasy on reality by incorporating it. The psychopath imposes the fantasy on reality by either subjugating it or rejecting it. I want to repeat this at the risk of pissing you off, but I want to repeat this because this is not an easy distinction to digest. Theistic thinking and autistic thinking are based on fantasy. In the autistic person, the fantasy is directed inwards. In the deristic person, person person with deristic thinking, a fantasy is direct is directed outwards. In the case of narcissists, narcissists imposes the fantasy on reality by incorporating it. The psychopath imposes the fantasy on reality by either subjugating it or rejecting it. I want to repeat this at the risk of pissing you off, but I want to repeat this because this is not an easy distinction to digest. Theistic thinking and autistic thinking are based on fantasy. In the autistic person, the fantasy is directed inwards. In the deristic person, person person with deristic thinking, a fantasy is direct is directed outwards. In the case of narcissists, narcissists
  25. 19:13 have deristic thinking. They generate a fantasy and then they direct the fantasy outward by trying to sometimes forcibly incorporate elements of reality in the fantasy including other people. The psychopath similarly has daristic thinking, comes up with a fantasy which is connected to an inflated self-concept and then externalizes the fantasy not by incorporating other people. Not by including in the fantasy reality but by rejecting reality or subjugating it, owning it, controlling it, possessing it. have deristic thinking. They generate a fantasy and then they direct the fantasy outward by trying to sometimes forcibly incorporate elements of reality in the fantasy including other people. The psychopath similarly has daristic thinking, comes up with a fantasy which is connected to an inflated self-concept and then externalizes the fantasy not by incorporating other people. Not by including in the fantasy reality but by rejecting reality or subjugating it, owning it, controlling it, possessing it.
  26. 20:00 So psychopathy is about control and power. Narcissism is about the sustenance and butressing of an inflated self-concept. Delusion. Narcissism is delusional. Psychopathy is about control and power. Why do psychopaths need so much control and power? Because they are anxious. They’re terrified. What are they afraid of? Why are they are they so anxious? Because psychopaths believe that the world is out to get them. They’re a bit paranoid. And psychopaths also believe that if they give into to life, So psychopathy is about control and power. Narcissism is about the sustenance and butressing of an inflated self-concept. Delusion. Narcissism is delusional. Psychopathy is about control and power. Why do psychopaths need so much control and power? Because they are anxious. They’re terrified. What are they afraid of? Why are they are they so anxious? Because psychopaths believe that the world is out to get them. They’re a bit paranoid. And psychopaths also believe that if they give into to life,
  27. 20:42 if they give in to the demands and expectations of life, they will become slaves forever. And so the only way to avoid enslavement and imprisonment, the only way to remain free, the only way to be liberated according to the psychopath is to not allow life to control you, but instead to control life. It’s it’s a power play. In the psychopath’s mind, there are only two possible outcomes. Either the psychopath becomes a slave of reality or reality becomes the slave of the psychopath. End of story. if they give in to the demands and expectations of life, they will become slaves forever. And so the only way to avoid enslavement and imprisonment, the only way to remain free, the only way to be liberated according to the psychopath is to not allow life to control you, but instead to control life. It’s it’s a power play. In the psychopath’s mind, there are only two possible outcomes. Either the psychopath becomes a slave of reality or reality becomes the slave of the psychopath. End of story.
  28. 21:28 And so key characteristics and aspects of theistic thinking include detachment from reality. The psychopath chooses to detach from reality by rejecting it or by controlling it by having power over it. And of course by having power over reality the psychopath alters reality changes it unrecognizably. So it’s a form of detachment from reality. Individual reg disregards. This kind of individual with theistic thinking disregards objective facts or external reality in favor of some internal fantasy. And so key characteristics and aspects of theistic thinking include detachment from reality. The psychopath chooses to detach from reality by rejecting it or by controlling it by having power over it. And of course by having power over reality the psychopath alters reality changes it unrecognizably. So it’s a form of detachment from reality. Individual reg disregards. This kind of individual with theistic thinking disregards objective facts or external reality in favor of some internal fantasy.
  29. 22:11 The second element is illogical irrational thinking. The d theoristic thought processes do not follow conventional logic and often involve magical thinking or subjective meanings attributed to reality. And then there is a self-referential focus. Deristic thinking is often self-centered with a tendency to withdraw from the external world. In psychiatry, duristic thinking is considered a symptom or component of various mental health conditions including paranoia, severe personality disorders, um delusional delusional The second element is illogical irrational thinking. The d theoristic thought processes do not follow conventional logic and often involve magical thinking or subjective meanings attributed to reality. And then there is a self-referential focus. Deristic thinking is often self-centered with a tendency to withdraw from the external world. In psychiatry, duristic thinking is considered a symptom or component of various mental health conditions including paranoia, severe personality disorders, um delusional delusional
  30. 22:49 disorders and even psycho mild or pseudocychosis. Deristic thinking is not always pathological. It’s associated with mental illness. But sometimes we can find deristic thinking in normal daily functioning. For example, in if you have a superstition, this is a form of deristic thinking. If you are a conspiracy theorist, it’s a form of deristic thinking. And if or if you intensely daydream all the time, that’s also a form of deristic thinking. And we should not confuse as I said between disorders and even psycho mild or pseudocychosis. Deristic thinking is not always pathological. It’s associated with mental illness. But sometimes we can find deristic thinking in normal daily functioning. For example, in if you have a superstition, this is a form of deristic thinking. If you are a conspiracy theorist, it’s a form of deristic thinking. And if or if you intensely daydream all the time, that’s also a form of deristic thinking. And we should not confuse as I said between
  31. 23:25 theistic and autistic thinking because theistic tends to emphasize the specific disconnection from external reality while autistic emphasizes the inward self-referential focus. But having said all this, I want to introduce a caveat, a disclaimer. A certain behavior or a certain behavioral pattern can be utterly psychopathic and at the same time can be reactive to abuse, justified or proportional. In other words, even narcissists and even psychopaths can be truly abused. Even narcissists and psychopaths can be theistic and autistic thinking because theistic tends to emphasize the specific disconnection from external reality while autistic emphasizes the inward self-referential focus. But having said all this, I want to introduce a caveat, a disclaimer. A certain behavior or a certain behavioral pattern can be utterly psychopathic and at the same time can be reactive to abuse, justified or proportional. In other words, even narcissists and even psychopaths can be truly abused. Even narcissists and psychopaths can be
  32. 24:12 denied freedom implicitly or explicitly. Even they can lose their liberty in reality. In other words, this urge in the psychopath to liberate himself to free himself by by either denying reality or subjugating it by rejecting laws, norms and and mores and conventions by by becoming um self-sufficient. these psychopathic tendencies to say I am the law, my way or the highway, in your face, defiance, recklessness, this that um sometimes is justified. Sometimes the psychopaths and the narcissist do suffer discrimination denied freedom implicitly or explicitly. Even they can lose their liberty in reality. In other words, this urge in the psychopath to liberate himself to free himself by by either denying reality or subjugating it by rejecting laws, norms and and mores and conventions by by becoming um self-sufficient. these psychopathic tendencies to say I am the law, my way or the highway, in your face, defiance, recklessness, this that um sometimes is justified. Sometimes the psychopaths and the narcissist do suffer discrimination
  33. 25:01 are um subject to injustice. Psychopathic conduct has its hallmarks. It is impulsive. It’s abrupt and shocking usually is antisocial or dysocial. It’s aggressive. It’s reckless and it’s disempathic. Granted, all this is true. It includes elements of novelty or thrillseeking, risk-taking. It is often self-deeating or self-destructive. But these attributes of psychopathic action do not mean that the psychopath is invariably immoral or in the wrong. Even psychopaths are some sometimes are um subject to injustice. Psychopathic conduct has its hallmarks. It is impulsive. It’s abrupt and shocking usually is antisocial or dysocial. It’s aggressive. It’s reckless and it’s disempathic. Granted, all this is true. It includes elements of novelty or thrillseeking, risk-taking. It is often self-deeating or self-destructive. But these attributes of psychopathic action do not mean that the psychopath is invariably immoral or in the wrong. Even psychopaths are some sometimes
  34. 25:40 egregiously mistreated and have the inherent right to rectify and remedy the injustice or to make sure the maltreatment ceizes. The psychopath is distinguished by how the psychopath does things, not by considerations of ethics and morality. What I’m trying to say is when we observe psychopaths and their behaviors, we should focus on their actions, not on any moral judgment, not on any context, not on any all these contextual environmental analysis of of psychopathic action misses the point because in psychopathy egregiously mistreated and have the inherent right to rectify and remedy the injustice or to make sure the maltreatment ceizes. The psychopath is distinguished by how the psychopath does things, not by considerations of ethics and morality. What I’m trying to say is when we observe psychopaths and their behaviors, we should focus on their actions, not on any moral judgment, not on any context, not on any all these contextual environmental analysis of of psychopathic action misses the point because in psychopathy
  35. 26:22 the action is the goal. Psychopaths are goal oriented, but sometimes in many cases it is the action itself that’s the goal. For example, a psychopath may commit a crime in order to steal money from someone. And yes, the psychopath is interested in the money, but the psychopath is equally interested and very often much more interested in the very fact of breaking the law, in the very action of committing a crime. Because breaking the law, committing a crime, defying people or institutions, acting recklessly, they all signify the action is the goal. Psychopaths are goal oriented, but sometimes in many cases it is the action itself that’s the goal. For example, a psychopath may commit a crime in order to steal money from someone. And yes, the psychopath is interested in the money, but the psychopath is equally interested and very often much more interested in the very fact of breaking the law, in the very action of committing a crime. Because breaking the law, committing a crime, defying people or institutions, acting recklessly, they all signify
  36. 27:05 freedom and liberty. And freedom and liberty imply control and power. And nothing matters more to the psychopath than the power to control. freedom and liberty. And freedom and liberty imply control and power. And nothing matters more to the psychopath than the power to control.
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Summary

Understanding psychopathy and narcissism through the lenses of deristic thinking, control, and freedom provides valuable insights into why these individuals behave as they do. Their rejection of societal norms is not mere rebellion but a complex psychological strategy to cope with deep anxiety and a perceived lack of liberty. Recognizing these dynamics helps in developing better psychological frameworks and interventions that address the root causes of their behaviors rather than simply condemning their actions. Epstein: Depravity as Rebellion, Psychopathic Liberty, Defiant Freedom

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