Covert Narcissist’s Sadistic Envy Fantasy (conference presentation)

Summary

The intricate relationship between covert narcissism, malicious envy, and sadistic behavior, emphasizing how covert narcissists harbor a deep wish to destroy those they envy due to feelings of inferiority and rivalry. It highlighted findings from a recent Italian study linking grandiose narcissism, narcissistic rivalry, and malicious envy with sadism, illustrating how these traits drive the desire to inflict pain and regain control. The conversation underscored that sadism in narcissism is fundamentally about power and control, often masked by fantasies and pseudo-morality, with covert narcissists exhibiting particularly pronounced passive-aggressive sadistic tendencies.

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  1. 00:02 malicious Envy is when you want to destroy someone who keeps frustrating
  2. 00:09 you by being Superior to you someone who is above you intellectually someone
  3. 00:16 whose accomplishments you crave but can’t attain someone who gets all the
  4. 00:24 beautiful girls all the wealthy clients and all the academic recognition or
  5. 00:30 whatever and you want to destroy this object of frustration malicious Envy should be distinguished from benign envy and jealousy they’re
  6. 00:41 not the same benign envy and jealousy motivate you to measure up
  7. 00:47 to the object to the person that you admire to emulate them to imitate them to
  8. 00:55 better yourself so malicious destructive Envy is when you want to destroy someone
  9. 01:03 benign Envy jealousy especially benign Envy is when you want to build yourself
  10. 01:09 up to be like the person that you admire an
  11. 01:15 Envy now is malicious Envy a form of sadism
  12. 01:23 and how are all these connected to narcissism this is the topic of today’s video the covert narcissist sadistic Envy and
  13. 01:35 it’s fantasy because fantasy has something to do with it
  14. 01:42 my name is Sam baknin I’m the author of malignant self-love narcissism Revisited I’m a former visiting professor of psychology and currently on the faculty of CPS Center for international Advanced
  15. 01:54 professionals that a commonwealth I’m sorry they change their name commoner for international Advanced professional studies in Cambridge United Kingdom Toronto Canada and an outreach program
  16. 02:05 in Lagos Nigeria today’s topic is dark indeed sadism is
  17. 02:14 one of the four elements in the dark tetrad personality as we shall see a bit
  18. 02:20 later the topic of today’s video has been triggered by a recent study study published in the journal the
  19. 02:32 academic Journal personality and individual differences volume 205 April 2023 so it’s Cutting Edge it’s the
  20. 02:40 latest and the study is titled pathological narcissism and sadistic personality the role of rivalry and
  21. 02:47 malicious Envy um it’s a mega study conducted on a huge
  22. 02:53 sample of adults in where else Italy were Envy rules and Reigns
  23. 03:02 but before we go into the into the study analyzing the study benefiting from its
  24. 03:09 outstanding outcomes let me give you a bit of an introduction I started this video by asking is
  25. 03:16 malicious and re a form of sadism is the wish to destroy your battles form of sadism does it involve an evil intent to for example inflict pain in the in the agony of others gratify
  26. 03:35 yourself with their writing torturing them to the point of feeling omnipotent
  27. 03:43 this is all true in the makeup of the covert narcissist now to remind you
  28. 03:49 convert narcissism has several elements Envy is a major major thing with covert
  29. 03:56 narcissists they display pseudo humility false modesty and just one of the guys I’m exactly like you I can understand you
  30. 04:07 they also have victimhood a victimhood stance they’re always the victims they
  31. 04:14 never do wrong they they can never do wrong they’re always somehow they always
  32. 04:20 somehow fall prey to unscrupulous people or abusive intimate partners
  33. 04:28 or institutions which are ought to get them and in this sense covert narcissism is a close skin the first cousin of
  34. 04:37 paranoia most covert narcissists entertain paranoid ideation on a regular
  35. 04:44 basis the victimhood stunts the victimhood position being a perpetual and professional victim this excludes any other explanation to reality
  36. 04:57 except some conspiracy against you your if you spend your entire life believing
  37. 05:03 that you’re a victim then people are out to get you you there’s my line in attention and
  38. 05:10 intention focused on you of course it’s narcissistically gratifying it’s a form
  39. 05:16 of displaced grandiosity if you can’t obtain Supply narcissistic Supply directly
  40. 05:22 and covert narcissists are covert because they can’t obtain Supply directly they fail there there’s kind of
  41. 05:29 collapse narcissists then you can obtain Supply by believing yourself to be the
  42. 05:35 victim of your battles the victim of Institutions public intellectuals God
  43. 05:43 knows what so do humility a victimhood stance
  44. 05:50 but underneath all these there is sadistic malicious Envy
  45. 05:56 it’s the number one characteristic of the covert narcissist in my view
  46. 06:02 it drives the passive aggressive urges of the covert narcissist as we shall see a bit later
  47. 06:08 now they convert narcissist compensates compensates for this with fantasy
  48. 06:15 because it is not self-efficacious in reality he is unable to secure outcomes
  49. 06:22 in reality he resorts to Fantasy in the fantasy could be anything I’m a good
  50. 06:29 person I’m a superhero in Baton doing battle with super villains
  51. 06:35 I am the power behind the scenes I am the true inventor or discoverer of
  52. 06:43 this and that I’m a rescuer a savior A Healer etc
  53. 06:49 etc etc one of the roles of the fantasy is to
  54. 06:56 make the covert narcissist feel safe we’ll discuss it a bit later okay
  55. 07:03 our well-being depends on connectivity so narcissists of all Stripes overt
  56. 07:10 covert somatics cerebral inverted you name it all kinds of narcissists are
  57. 07:17 hurtful they hurt you hurt people hurt people because they denied the possibility of true connection they are one step removed they’re behind
  58. 07:29 the glass Darkly the sadistic component in narcissistic pathologies
  59. 07:36 is related to power not only to pain classical sadism is about deriving ratification from
  60. 07:49 hurting others other people’s pain is nectar in ambrosia in a wonderful
  61. 07:56 wonderful thing to behold you know sadistic Supply
  62. 08:02 is about being gratified by inflicting pain on others and witnessing their
  63. 08:10 writhing agony but in the case of narcissism sadism is connected to power not only to
  64. 08:19 pain also to pain but to power more precisely the sadism in narcissistic personality
  65. 08:26 disorder has to do with the power to inflict pain
  66. 08:32 so it’s pain One Step removed the narcissist derives a sense of
  67. 08:38 omnipotence a gratification of his grandiose inflated self-image
  68. 08:45 the buttressing of his fantasy of omnipotence and omniscience
  69. 08:52 his whole structure lies on the ability to inflict pain on other people who are
  70. 09:00 at his Mercy back and call
  71. 09:06 in other words the narcissist is more likely to act sadistically with his nearest and
  72. 09:13 dearest The Narcissist interprets intimacy this is the license to inflict
  73. 09:19 pain intimacy empowers the narcissist it grants him the power to inflict pain it gives him access it provides him with
  74. 09:33 the levels in The Leverage um to somehow torture people around him and so
  75. 09:45 this is about power not only about pain and most notably the power to inflict
  76. 09:51 pain now sadism can be externalized and aggressive inflicting pain
  77. 09:58 but it can also be passive aggressive which is the bread and butter of covert
  78. 10:04 narcissists passive aggressive sadism involves frustrating someone withholding avoiding tantalizingly suggesting something
  79. 10:16 and then going back on your word breaking promises all these are forms of sadism but of course narcissists whether overt
  80. 10:28 or covert are not totally cognitively impaired and
  81. 10:34 some of them are not even intellectually challenged they realize that inflicting pain on people can have adverse outcomes can result in
  82. 10:46 Vengeance vindictiveness revenge and retribution somewhere deep inside they know narcissists and covert narcissists no
  83. 10:57 that are playing with fire that there is karma but one day they’re
  84. 11:03 gonna pay the price in wary of these possible unwanted outcomes narcissists withdraw into a world of fantasy
  85. 11:15 and in this world of fantasy they’re not hated they are not derided they’re not decried
  86. 11:23 they’re not shunned in this world of fantasy no one wants to harm them no one wants to punish them for their misdeeds
  87. 11:34 in this world of fantasy they can torture other people they can inflict pain they can exert power
  88. 11:41 and none of this is going to have any consequences now
  89. 11:47 say the sadistic component in narcissistic personality disorder has to do with the power to inflict pain even if this power is not used even if it is
  90. 11:58 ambient and Atmospheric but in the narcissist’s mind
  91. 12:04 once he has the power even if it’s not used it is somehow discernible invisible remember the narcissist interacts with
  92. 12:16 internal objects not with external objects so if he has the power to torture you in his mind he has tortured you
  93. 12:28 because he interacts with your representation in his mind
  94. 12:34 so the potential to cause you pain in his mind
  95. 12:40 translates into having caused you pain so narcissists are constantly hyper
  96. 12:47 Vigilant on their toes and anxious to say no
  97. 12:53 that they are hurting people on a regular basis they realize that some
  98. 12:59 people are gonna lash out and lash back there’s going to be payback they know
  99. 13:05 this and the only Refuge is the fantasy world and in this fantasy nothing bad is
  100. 13:13 ever gonna happen because the narcissist is adulated and loved and adored
  101. 13:19 inquisited and shielded from the consequences of his actions
  102. 13:25 because the narcissist in this fantasy world perceives himself some kind of
  103. 13:31 treasure a preciously unique artifact or a childlike entity who’s going to
  104. 13:38 punish a child who’s going to hurt a child and who’s going to destroy the magnificence and uniqueness of an intellectual treasure
  105. 13:50 such as the narcissist the more sophistic the narcissist
  106. 13:56 the more evolved the fantasy fantasy in this sense is compensatory now covert
  107. 14:04 narcissist have a much richer fantasy life than overt or grandiose narcissists
  108. 14:12 for two reasons number one covert narcissists are cannot operate well in
  109. 14:18 reality they’re not self-efficacious they fail the failures they collapsed
  110. 14:24 so the only way for them to generate Supply is via self Supply in
  111. 14:31 a fantastic World in a paracos the second reason covert narcissists have a much more developed fantasy world is that they hurt people much more
  112. 14:43 they are overt grandiose narcissists are in your face you see them coming
  113. 14:49 you can defend yourself and protect yourself against them the covert narcissist is there’s a snake in the
  114. 14:55 grass is subterranean the covert narcissist Works via
  115. 15:01 subterfuge and stratagems he is Machiavellian he is conniving he’s cunning he’s scheming and in this sense the convert
  116. 15:12 Mercy says it’s very much like the psychopath only without the daring acknowledgment
  117. 15:18 of the Psychopaths without the psychopathic facade or the psychopathic Defiance or recklessness
  118. 15:24 convert narcissists a poison slow acting poison in realizing their impact on
  119. 15:31 people around them they know that retribution and payback are coming
  120. 15:38 and they defend against it with a very well evolved fantasy world now let’s go
  121. 15:45 to Italy shall we I mentioned the study you can find
  122. 15:52 uh you will find it in the literature in the description or the description is under the video children not above the video thank you and what do they say in this research these are people from Italy
  123. 16:08 um guillon Roger Alessandro ammo Beatrice
  124. 16:15 they sound like retired mafiosi but actually they are psychologists
  125. 16:21 and so they were curious if sadism and grandiose narcissism are related and they wanted to find what in narcissism
  126. 16:28 predisposes a narcissist to act sadistically or even to be a full-fledged say this not just to
  127. 16:36 clarify only a small minority of narcissists very small minority are full-fledged sadists in the sexual sense in the in the emotional sense sadism is
  128. 16:49 a mental health disorder it used to be a personality disorder until it’s been removed by the diagnostic and
  129. 16:56 statistical manual committee but it’s still distinct from narcissism however
  130. 17:02 sadistic elements sadistic artifacts sadistic behaviors a
  131. 17:09 sadistic tinge to certain traits these do exist in literally all
  132. 17:16 narcissists and the researchers in Italy ask themselves how is this sadism mediated how does it penetrate and permeate narcissism and how does it
  133. 17:27 interact with the demands and exigencies and ups and downs vicissitudes of narcissism
  134. 17:34 and they found out that sadism is intimately connected to malicious envy and narcissistic rivalry
  135. 17:44 these are two dimensions of pathological narcissism and they succeeded to connect
  136. 17:50 pretty convincingly I think sadism to grandiose narcissism
  137. 17:57 sadism refers to the tendency to derive pleasure from the suffering of others so
  138. 18:04 as I said before it’s a component of the new construct of the dark tetrad the
  139. 18:10 doctorate is machiavellianism the tendency to manipulate people
  140. 18:16 subclinical psychopathy psychopathy that could not be diagnosed as psychopathy but his but there’s only Hallmarks and
  141. 18:22 behaviors of psychopathy subclinical narcissism is a clinical sadism
  142. 18:29 now the tendency to control other people is common to both grandiose narcissism
  143. 18:36 and sadism both of these disorders have to do with control freakery the need to
  144. 18:44 control other people and underline that an anxiety reaction or even anxiety
  145. 18:50 disorder so there’s anxiety about the environment the only way to mitigate or ameliorate
  146. 18:57 this anxiety is by controlling it and there are two ways to control it grandiosly via narcissism or by inflicting pain or threatening to
  147. 19:10 inflict pain sadism the relationship between narcissism and
  148. 19:16 sadism has to do with narcissistic rivalry and malicious Envy as I mentioned so what is
  149. 19:23 narcissistic rivalry it’s negative having negative emotions when
  150. 19:29 someone else receives attention and having positive emotions when other people fail
  151. 19:36 so you are elated when people fail collapse
  152. 19:43 and you feel bad to the point of suicidal ideation
  153. 19:49 when other people succeed especially if they succeed in something
  154. 19:56 or in some Endeavor or some undertaking or in some task or in some field
  155. 20:02 that directly competes with the locus of the your grandiose so it’s a narcissist if you feel that
  156. 20:09 you’re a genius and then someone else gets accolades and Applause for his intellectual
  157. 20:16 achievements you’re likely to experience rivalry narcissistic rivalry
  158. 20:22 and if you consider yourself handsome and someone else ends up getting all the girls you’re going to experience
  159. 20:28 narcissistic rivalry and then when they fail with with a girl you’re going to
  160. 20:34 experience elation happiness contentment
  161. 20:40 Jubilation even cheer and joy so this is narcissistic rivalry malicious Envy is when people compare
  162. 20:51 themselves unfavorably to other people this is done for example
  163. 20:57 copiously in social media the social media people keep comparing themselves
  164. 21:03 to other people a phenomenon known as relative positioning social media platforms encourage
  165. 21:10 malicious Envy in relative position via mechanisms such as likes
  166. 21:18 so this there is malice in social media platforms they malicious me leverage
  167. 21:25 elements of narcissism and elements of sadism that’s why there’s so much verbal abuse and violence and trolling in social media platforms because they want it to be this way
  168. 21:37 okay social media site in relationships within individuals people compare themselves to others
  169. 21:44 and if there’s someone who possesses qualities property success
  170. 21:50 a partner intimate partner or whatever that you envy then if you’re a narcissist you are
  171. 21:58 likely to experience malicious Envy malicious Envy involves anger hostility
  172. 22:04 and aggression the wish to destroy the object the person that causes you envy
  173. 22:12 the object of frustration the wish to destroy it is a critical component of malicious envy and this is in this new study was here and colleagues they wanted to elucidate somehow their complex relationship between sadism and
  174. 22:28 grandiose gnosticism and these two traits rivalry narcissistic rivalry and malicious Envy and they found that they are negative and positive
  175. 22:39 aspects of Envy malicious Envy is the negative aspect and there is an affirmative link between grandiose narcissism and sadism
  176. 22:50 mediated via rivalry and envy they said
  177. 22:56 they said the following narcissistic rivalry is a multi-dimensional construct that includes aggressiveness struggle for Supremacy and joy in response to
  178. 23:08 other people’s failures individuals with grandiose narcissism would be therefore prone to experience
  179. 23:14 pleasure when assisting to cause other people pain and especially when this pain is related to a position of inferiority our results suggest that grandiose
  180. 23:26 narcissism may be related to the seeking of pleasure in provoking or observing pain in others as it would strengthen the positive self-image of the narcissist eliciting positive feelings of self-worth regarding malicious Envy a
  181. 23:43 similar interpretation of our results can be formulated indeed malicious Envy in contrast with benign Envy would be triggered by the observation of other people’s success and good fortune
  182. 23:55 theoretically in individuals with grandiose narcissism this perception would elicit hostile feelings towards the fortunate other as its Good Fortune would be perceived
  183. 24:07 as an ego threat this would motivate these narcissistic individuals to desire
  184. 24:13 other people’s failure in the destruction of the superior status so
  185. 24:19 you can see these people most of them convert narcissists but also overt narcissists trying to take down someone
  186. 24:27 they Envy someone who is intellectually Superior to them more accomplished in their own
  187. 24:34 field um and so on so forth they can’t sleep at night they they
  188. 24:40 absolutely possessed and obsessed with destroying this of this person this object that keeps reminding them how inferior they are they are keeps
  189. 24:51 generating constant narcissistic injuries and if this person is a public figure or appears in public this would create a constant state of modification
  190. 25:02 which is unbearable and intolerable the narcissists the envious narcissist has
  191. 25:08 to destroy the person who causes him injuries and modification on a permanent
  192. 25:15 basis there’s no other choice no other solution sooner or later the narcissist is going to erupt in an orgy of malevolent malicious and evil
  193. 25:27 attempts to take down the object of frustration and the findings of this study is
  194. 25:34 implications because Envy plays a role in various psychological and psychopathological outcomes even for
  195. 25:41 example in depression and anxiety but have a lot go into it many interesting new tools were used in
  196. 25:50 this study a study which I highly recommend but I was very impressed it Italians would you believe this no
  197. 25:56 offense so they used the benign and malignant
  198. 26:02 Envy scale they administered self-report
  199. 26:08 questionnaires evaluating sadistic personality for example the assessment of sadistic personality questionnaire
  200. 26:14 they use the pathological narcissism inventory which is much better than narcissistic
  201. 26:21 personality inventory although far from perfect and they use the narcissistic admiration
  202. 26:29 and rivalry questionnaire then they applied structural equation
  203. 26:35 models to taste test hypotheses very nice work when it comes to statistics
  204. 26:41 and they found that grandiose narcissism narcissistic rivalry and malicious Envy positively and significantly
  205. 26:49 significantly predicted by the scores on the sadism questionnaire pretty shocking it means that sadism is a x an excellent predictor of
  206. 27:03 narcissism or even maybe a precursor remember that in early childhood
  207. 27:11 pathological narcissism has to do with frustration a child is frustrated
  208. 27:18 by a dead mother a mother who is emotionally unavailable not nurturing not caring unloving
  209. 27:28 there’s a lot of frustration there there’s a lot of rage a lot of impotent helpless hopeless anger
  210. 27:37 a child could well become could well develop sadism in response to this inner
  211. 27:44 turmoil this volcano of repressed negative effectivity negative emotions
  212. 27:52 the child is unable to attack the mother this child is dependent on the mother he is dependent on the source of frustration can you imagine the conflict
  213. 28:03 the dissonance in the child so instead of attacking the mother the child develops sadism
  214. 28:11 in extreme cases the child develops conduct disorder which leads later in
  215. 28:17 life to psychopathy in 40 of the cases and such a child would torture animals
  216. 28:25 or other children peers in less extreme cases the sadism
  217. 28:32 gets subsumed into the general narcissistic pathology of the self
  218. 28:38 sadism becomes a dimension an element of the child’s nascent narcissism
  219. 28:45 the child then learns to hurt people cause pain
  220. 28:51 in order to secure control in power over an environment that causes him
  221. 28:58 frustration the child learns to link frustration with control frustration with pain as
  222. 29:07 this child grows up and becomes an adult this adult is going to react the same
  223. 29:13 way to any form of frustration dollared in dollars in 1939 suggested the
  224. 29:21 frustration aggression hypothesis it says that every frustration is converted into aggression this is true here as
  225. 29:29 well the narcissists when he faces frustration
  226. 29:35 Envy inability to remedy a situation of inferiority
  227. 29:43 constant narcissistic injuries multiplication this narcissist is going to be driven to extremes of psychopathy it’s going to become seriously malevolent and Evil
  228. 29:54 is going to conspire undermine
  229. 30:00 lie his way through Forge fake it’s gonna it’s gonna become
  230. 30:06 criminalized in his attempts to take down and destroy object that constantly causes him
  231. 30:14 frustration injury and modification and so uh omira defines sadism as a tendency to inflict pain in humiliation on others
  232. 30:25 and to experience really pleasure in relation to people suffering but this is an inadequate definition or
  233. 30:33 although it’s a fairly new one 2011. we need to reconceptualize sadism is a
  234. 30:40 subclinical variable not full-fledged not explosive not
  235. 30:48 criminal Criminal this sadism in daily life
  236. 30:54 the sadism the sadism of Trifles the sadism of nuance
  237. 31:01 the sadism of ambiance sadism by proxy
  238. 31:07 and of course the sadism of the covert narcissist who is maliciously envious
  239. 31:13 and needs to destroy a person that causes him causes him the
  240. 31:19 envy and because covert narcissism is one step removed from primary psychopathy
  241. 31:26 the covert narcissist becomes a primary psychopath and criminalize in effect
  242. 31:34 investigation of sadism conceptualize this way and the association of sadism with antisocial behaviors including sexual
  243. 31:45 violence fraud um conspiracy
  244. 31:51 and so on so forth these were investigated by Russell in 2017 Brussels and allies 2017. some clinical scientism has been linked
  245. 32:02 to bullying the cyber bullying by Van Gael and others in 2017. and it was shown that sadism often leads to
  246. 32:13 unprovoked aggression by bonfire ago and others in 2022
  247. 32:19 some authors argued for considering sadism as a component of the dark tetrat
  248. 32:25 as I mentioned the extension of the dark Triad um and we have authors such as Buckles in 2000 in allies in 2013 kyogi and others
  249. 32:37 in 2019 Paul Hussein Williams in as early as 2002. it’s not a new idea it’s more than 20 years in the making most recently the aforementioned bonfire
  250. 32:48 and his colleagues in 2022 perform the meta-analysis and they concluded that there is a
  251. 32:55 pattern of observed associations between sadism and dark Triad components
  252. 33:01 including subclinical psychopathy and subclinical narcissism and there are there are distinct associations of sadism with certain psychological outcomes that I’ve
  253. 33:12 mentioned before and this supports the idea that sadism can be considered a component of an overriding dark personality
  254. 33:21 what this implies is that we would be hard-pressed to find a narcissist or a covert narcissist who is not also sadistic
  255. 33:32 when the covert narcissist attempts to take down a rival because of narcissistic rivalry
  256. 33:39 when he attempts to destroy someone who causes him unbearable Envy because of malicious Envy the covert narcissist takes pleasure in doing this there is sadistic pleasure there hedonic statistic pleasure
  257. 33:55 this the covert narcissist feels empowered if he is omnipotent if he is
  258. 34:01 capable if his self-efficacious when he destroys someone else
  259. 34:07 this is his way of regaining control and obtaining narcissistic Supply
  260. 34:14 of course all this is done under the cover of morality ostentatious morality
  261. 34:20 of rescuing or saving someone or a group of people of ethics and of pseudo
  262. 34:29 humility it’s done humbly it’s done reluctantly visibly reluctantly like you know I don’t want to do it but I have to do it because I’m a moral person and I’m a superhero and I’m going to protect people and I’m going to fight evil this is the cover of the covert
  263. 34:49 narcissist but underneath this simple simple unmitigated unadulterated pure
  264. 34:56 evil Satanism period okay
  265. 35:05 so this study established the connection between sadism
  266. 35:11 dark Triad components and rivalry and Envy in narcissism
  267. 35:18 and so they try to understand how is it possible that narcissism which is a very complex construct how is it possible that is linked to
  268. 35:29 sadism which is very simple concept to remind you the core features of
  269. 35:35 narcissism are an exaggerated sense of personal importance entitlement feelings of superiority lack of empathy at least lack of emotional empathy there is called
  270. 35:47 empathy there and individuals with high levels of narcissism are focused on themselves they are self-centered and they
  271. 35:54 overestimate their abilities oh a study by War in 2019 substantiated
  272. 36:00 that basically now um
  273. 36:06 today it’s established and accepted even to some extent although obliquely in the
  274. 36:12 fifth edition of the diagnostic and statistical manual it’s established that there are two types of narcissism
  275. 36:18 one is grandiose and one is vulnerable the most recent survey of this is wise
  276. 36:24 and Miller 2018. grandiose narcissism is this arrogance sir promotion immodesty
  277. 36:33 haughtiness you know invulnerable narcissism involves self-centeredness hypersensitivity
  278. 36:39 introversion and so on and I refer you to work by Miller in 2017. so how do we
  279. 36:45 associate a single Dimension sadism with these two types which are diametrically opposed actually overt grandiose narcissism and covert
  280. 36:57 narcissism are so different to each other that there is a serious debate in the profession whether one of these two is
  281. 37:04 actually a form of psychopathy and the only real form of darcism is covert narcissism which is compensatory
  282. 37:10 I have a video dedicated to this to this debate but how can we associate sadism
  283. 37:16 with both the overt and the covered versions if they are almost mutually exclusive
  284. 37:22 because both of them involve pleasure in both types of narcissism there is
  285. 37:30 pleasure that the narcissist feels in response to other people’s perceived pain
  286. 37:37 in a willingness willingness to exert dominance on other people that is worked by umira in 2011.
  287. 37:45 this is what’s common to both types of narcissism beyond the seeking of pleasure the central feature underlying sadistic behaviors is the willingness to exert
  288. 37:57 power dominance in narcissism overt and covert is about controlling people manipulating
  289. 38:05 people dominating people tendency the proneness the propensity to exploit and
  290. 38:11 manipulate other people is a central feature of grandiose narcissism and it’s measured by the pathological
  291. 38:18 narcissism inventory worked by Pincus and others in 2009 it’s so we know this about grandiose narcissism and but it’s equally common and even I would say more so in covert narcissism
  292. 38:34 because covert narcissists are not self-efficacious they cannot obtain Supply or extract Supply from the
  293. 38:40 environment by themselves so they need to control other people to do it for them
  294. 38:46 and they need to control the environment to avoid narcissistic injuries or modifications which could be lithal
  295. 38:52 literally lead to suicide in the case of covert narcissism covert narcissists get
  296. 38:58 emotionally dysregulated much faster than overt or grandiose narcissists because they don’t have the added layers
  297. 39:05 of Defense of narcissistic Supply and self-efficacy and so from this perspective the tendency to be dominant and to to engage in power please to try to
  298. 39:17 exert power over other people is a shared component between narcissism and sadism and also explains the
  299. 39:24 association between these two because sadism is a way to gain control and is a way to exert power through pain Stalin said that you can motivate people with love or with fear well if you have narcissism you have both you
  300. 39:40 can charm people into loving you especially if you’re a covert narcissist who masquerades as a kind empathic
  301. 39:47 loving person and you can terrify people in and hurt them and torture them into submission and this is an integral part of cohesive control by the way
  302. 39:58 and so this sadism has been overlooked in the past
  303. 40:05 even it’s a mistake even I have made in my early in the early versions of malignant self-love narcissism Revisited individuals with high levels of narcissistic rivalry experience negative
  304. 40:17 feelings when someone else is receiving attention they devalue other people and they experience positive feelings when other
  305. 40:24 people fail or or find themselves in an inferior position as I said and this
  306. 40:30 process helps the individual with a narcissistic pathology to maintain the grandiose image of himself their Studies
  307. 40:37 by rogoza and others 2018. the struggle for Supremacy the Rivalry itself the
  308. 40:45 Hostile Behavior underlie support buttress uphold the grandiosity it is
  309. 40:54 grandiose to engage in battle it is grandiose to act as a
  310. 41:01 superhero it’s grandiose to take down villains it’s grandiose to destroy the
  311. 41:07 object that frustrates you and to prove yourself better than you or her or her
  312. 41:13 it’s grandiose to take your Rivals out it’s this is all grandions
  313. 41:20 what are we talking about sadism is grandiose exactly like paranoia
  314. 41:28 narcissistic rivalry explains why individuals with high levels of grandiose narcissism experience positive
  315. 41:34 feelings what other people fail when other people are in pain by exerting power over other people
  316. 41:41 subduing them subjugating them because there is a sadistic element there
  317. 41:48 and and so uh
  318. 41:54 according to this reasoning the level study of narcissistic rivalry explained the process by which grandiose narcissism leads to or is connected somehow to
  319. 42:06 sadism same same applies to malicious Envy it’s a good candidate to explain relationship between grandiose and autism and sadism Envy is a reaction or a disposition
  320. 42:18 towards other people it’s the outcome of comparing yourself to other people it’s related to a sense of innate
  321. 42:25 inferiority or some kind of Injustice or discrimination if you’re passive aggressive
  322. 42:31 when you compare yourself to other people’s traits their wealth
  323. 42:37 their success envious is provoked and risk triggered that’s only human but when this Envy
  324. 42:46 leads you to act malevolently in order to destroy the other person that’s malicious and it is distinct from benign Envy
  325. 42:57 this is known as the Dual Envy Theory Cohen chagash Larson 2017 Van de van uh
  326. 43:05 2016 Etc it’s a new theory of envy benign Envy is a tendency to improve
  327. 43:11 your lot to improve your improve your life to change yourself to better your condition
  328. 43:17 uh it stimulates you to work on yourself in accordance with the role model that
  329. 43:23 you envy malicious and this is not about any of this it’s not about you it’s about the other person
  330. 43:29 benign Envy is about you and how you could become a better version of yourself malicious Envy is about the
  331. 43:36 other person and how you could destroy that other person so that it doesn’t irritate you and annoy you and cause you
  332. 43:42 narcissistic injuries and narcissistic modification on a permanent basis it’s characterized by hostility
  333. 43:49 malicious Envy anger devaluation and harming others intentionally deliberately in order to reduce the threat to the ego if you wish or to the false self Van de van 2016. so
  334. 44:09 um both benign envy and malicious Envy are motivational but benign Envy
  335. 44:15 causes positive motivation it motivates you to do positive things what malicious
  336. 44:21 Envy literally drives you to become a psychopath now malicious Envy uh supports in grandeur’s narcissism a positive image of the self
  337. 44:33 how you construct your positive image of the selfie narcissism compared to the
  338. 44:39 negative image of the other malicious Envy tells you if you destroyed the other it’s because the other is negative and by destroying
  339. 44:50 this negative other person you will have upheld is supported and proved
  340. 44:56 your positive self-image so it’s an exclusionary identity it’s an identity by comparison malicious Envy is derivative narcissism
  341. 45:08 is derivative The Narcissist regulates his sense of self-worth in whatever
  342. 45:14 sense of selfie has via comparison with others it derives narcissistic Supply from
  343. 45:22 others to regulate this internal environment narcissists like borderlines have external regulation so the narcissists who who is besieged and
  344. 45:36 consumed by malicious Envy needs to destroy the other person in order to feel good about himself but to do that he needs to reframe reality and he needs
  345. 45:48 to say the other person deserves it his bed is evil is a villain
  346. 45:54 I am moral I am a good person I am
  347. 46:00 impeccable I am the victim I have a right moral ethical and legal to do
  348. 46:07 whatever I want because he had it coming and he should be punished and he should
  349. 46:13 be taken down why because it’s the right thing to do but of course all this is too all
  350. 46:19 this is nonsense nonsensical narrative hiding forces inside the narcissist
  351. 46:25 especially the covert narcissists that are overwhelming dysregulating and ruinous ultimately this kind of narcissist is consumed to utter destruction and Annihilation by
  352. 46:41 his own malicious envy and narcissistic rivalry they drive him to destruction
  353. 46:47 and then to destruction nothing is left of him
  354. 46:53 Envy has been linked more to covert narcissism or vulnerable narcissism than to grandiose narcissism I refer you to Studies by gold as early as 1996 uh
  355. 47:04 Kristen and johar in 2012 neufelden Johnson 2016 lunch and others in 2016
  356. 47:11 it’s a literature review and so on and so forth malicious Envy is
  357. 47:18 related somehow to narcissistic rivalry but it’s not the same again there’s a study by Dinesh and broncovich 2021. some authors argue that rivalry leads to
  358. 47:29 malicious Envy I argue that lunch for example I argue the opposite that this rivalry that
  359. 47:36 leads to malicious it doesn’t matter they’re connected server the malicious envy and rivalry motivate the
  360. 47:43 narcissistic individual with high levels of narcissism to become aggressive to aggress against others in
  361. 47:51 order to destroy their much coveted and unattainable good fortunes
  362. 47:57 the Nazis wanted wants them gun because they are constant reminder of their superiority compared to his inferiority and unacceptable
  363. 48:09 and from this perspective aggression motivated by malicious Envy or the observation of failure in someone
  364. 48:16 envied in the Envy object this may be the source of sadistic pleasure in narcissistic individuals now
  365. 48:27 the sadism re-establishes the grandiosity of the self supports the feelings or sense of self-worth and its
  366. 48:34 strengths strengthens the sense of self-efficacy it does good things destroying other people feels good to narcissists
  367. 48:45 as a whole there is an association between all these elements
  368. 48:51 there’s a great article by klauf and others in 2019.
  369. 48:57 and the mediation between narcissism and sadism via envy and rivalry makes sense eminent sense study aside but sadism in this case leads to aggression
  370. 49:13 and psychopathy in malevolence malice
  371. 49:19 to use a very Antiquated term it’s evil
  372. 49:25 foreign
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The intricate relationship between covert narcissism, malicious envy, and sadistic behavior, emphasizing how covert narcissists harbor a deep wish to destroy those they envy due to feelings of inferiority and rivalry. It highlighted findings from a recent Italian study linking grandiose narcissism, narcissistic rivalry, and malicious envy with sadism, illustrating how these traits drive the desire to inflict pain and regain control. The conversation underscored that sadism in narcissism is fundamentally about power and control, often masked by fantasies and pseudo-morality, with covert narcissists exhibiting particularly pronounced passive-aggressive sadistic tendencies.

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