Psychopathic Dating (with Christopher Bronson, MD)

Summary

Is it fair to say that the relationships or the dating experience of of young men and women today Why it first of all it's reported widely that it's very difficult. So, it was women who decided to become men because women reached the rational conclusion that men had it better. or or more charitably charitably men men had it had it going men control the world men owned the world and they wanted to be men and so they transformed their identity women transformed their identity I'm not blaming anyone it's a historical process and they became men it started long time ago it started 150 years ago and then in the two in the two world wars there.

Tags

Tip: click a paragraph to jump to the exact moment in the video.

  1. 00:00 They want you know psychopath in my perception in my my thinking psychopathy is not a mental illness at all. It's not a clinical entity. It's a social problem social failure if you wish but it's I don't see any mental illness here. It's I want money. The psychopath
  2. 00:22 wants money. The only difference between me and him, I am not willing to kill for it. He is, how does that make him insane? How does that make him mentally ill? Why is that a mental health disorder? It's an axiological problem. It's a value. His
  3. 00:38 values are different. He values money more than human life. I value human life more than money. Is there any way to say that my value system is privileged, superior to his value system? No, there's also no way to, you know, we can all agree that my value system is
  4. 00:59 nicer and more accommodating of human existence and more likely to function in society. Okay, these are utilitarian arguments. But it's a value system. Psychopath simply believes that his goals justify all any and all means. End of story. That is nothing to do with
  5. 01:20 mental illness. That is a value system. And in some societies, Nazi Germany for example, psychopathy would be a positive adaptation. Generally speaking, this attitude in in clinical psychology or psychiatry to say this is bad, this is good. We need to medicate against this.
  6. 01:40 It's a wrong approach. Take for example depression. If you talk to a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist, they would tell you depression is bad. That's a bad thing. We need to medicate it out of existence. We need to give people anti-depressants or we need to
  7. 01:57 talk talk to them. Talk therapy. Depression should be eradicated. Everyone is in panic that depression is rising. But let me ask you this. If you are an inmate in Awitz and you are not depressed, are you not mentally ill? It is the absence of depression in Awitz
  8. 02:20 that signifies mental illness. It is so was Victor Franco mentally ill. Victor Victor Frankle was heavily depressed. He fought his depression. Oh, okay. By inventing meaning. He created that was that was a coping I guess. It's a coping strategy. Exactly. He said that
  9. 02:41 meaning can fight off the depression. He warned against depression because he experienced depression. But if you are happy golucky, all smiling and cheerful in Avitz, definitely something's wrong with you, wouldn't you say? Sure. So, so it's context dependent. It's contextual.
  10. 02:59 You cannot generalize. It's contextual. Axological switching you mentioned. Um, it's a trait of borderline personality disorder. Um, one thing these red pillars say about women in general is that, you know, don't worry about a woman's politics. When she really likes
  11. 03:17 you, all of her values will just align with yours or switch to match with yours. But that's a that that's um it's not normal for people to do that, right? That's not a healthy trait. I don't even know how to how to relate to this. There are some
  12. 03:37 societies, patriarchal, misogynistic societies where a woman is expected to follow her husband's political convictions, vote the same way the husband votes. Husbands delivered the whole family to the voting booth and so on so forth. These societies are still
  13. 03:53 stuck in the in the fourth century or 10th century, I don't know why. But in modern modern industrialized societies especially western ones and I believe also in China, India, Israel, I mean Russia where I've lived. I mean it's unthinkable that a woman would change
  14. 04:11 her values and beliefs just in order to conform to her husband or lover or or even colleague or even boss. However, interestingly, because border lines suffer from identity diffusion and identity distance, they don't have a fixed core identity. It is true that the
  15. 04:34 borderline will try to mirror the partner because she hands over these internal functions, internal regulation to the partner. This is known as external regulation. The partner has control over her mind. So, she adapts to the partner. she becomes an extension of a partner, a
  16. 04:53 mirror image of the partner. This is much more likely in borderline women and men by the way than in a healthy population. That's that part is true. Yeah. Okay. Um how about hypersexuality? Are borderline patient hypersexual? You asked me this before.
  17. 05:20 uh border lines are reckless and impulsive. Okay, these are two two clinical features of of borderline recklessness and impulsivity. In other words, border lines do not contemplate the consequences of their actions and they act on impulses. Border lines are also a lot
  18. 05:39 more likely to abuse substances, especially disinhibiting substances such as alcohol. Okay, this confluence, this combination of factors that they don't care about consequences, they act on impulses, and they're drunk most of the time. You put these three together, and you get a
  19. 05:59 promiscuous person. I think they're confusing promiscuity with hypers with hypersexuality and hypersexuality with good sex. Promiscuity. Promiscuity is about availability and opportunity. A promiscuous person is a person whose main trigger, behavioral trigger is
  20. 06:24 availability. A promiscuous person finds someone. That person is available. They have sex. He's triggered to act. Opportunity. It's an opportunist. That's a promiscuous person. A hypersexual person is a person who is compelled internally to seek sex unceasingly day and
  21. 06:48 night. Even when the sex is egoistonic, even when the person hates the sex, doesn't want to have sex, is tired, exhausted on the floor, can't stop, just simply cannot stop. Hypersexuality doesn't have to involve partners. We know for example of compulsive
  22. 07:08 masturbation which is damaging to the body has bodily impulse. So this is hypersexuality. Border lines are definitely not hypersexual. Border lines go through long stretches of celibacy. It's very common in borderline. That is not possible in hypersexual sexual disorder where the
  23. 07:28 compulsion is ever present. There's no gap or or pause or relief. It's always there. The borderline, for example, when she's rejected, humiliated, especially in public and and so on, she withdraws. She becomes avoidant and she could spend three years, three sexless years with no
  24. 07:49 sex. So there's no hypersexuality. There is promiscuity definitely, but the promiscuity is the outcome of underlying features such as recklessness, such as impulsivity and so on. Border lines also weaponize sex. That part is true. They are aware that their sexuality endows
  25. 08:14 them with some kind of control over the potential or actual intimate bug. So they trade, they barter sex, they use sex as coinage and they they trade sex for favors, for presents, for a relationship, for all this has nothing to do with the quality of sex. Quality of sex.
  26. 08:40 Actually, we know that people who engage in one night stands, which is the overwhelming type of sexual activity of the borderline, border lines report that the vast majority of their experiences are one night stands. They don't want it to be a one
  27. 08:58 night stands in about 60% of the cases. They hope that the one night stand would lead to a relationship, but it doesn't in the majority of cases. So they end up having an experience of casual sex mostly. Mostly we know that casual sex sucks especially for women. In casual
  28. 09:20 sex anywhere between 10 to 15 that's one5% of women experience orgasm. 80 to 90% do not. Even men in one night stands ex only 53 to 57% of men experience orgasms. 40 to 50% of men do not. Casual sex really is really really inferior lowquality bak sex. Not the kind of sex
  29. 09:51 you want to have. And that is the major experience the predominant feature of the sexual life of the borderline. So how good how good can she be? you know, her her sexuality is actually not quality. Interesting. Well, professor, I don't want to take up too much of your time,
  30. 10:08 but I was hoping I could ask you maybe a little bit off topic, but I think related. There's a lot uh a lot of men find themselves in these red pill communities because they have difficulty. They're lonely basically. And um a lot of it has to do with they
  31. 10:26 want to blame women. And at least that's why I think they end up, you know, um, black pill, red pill, whatever. Even if those are wrong approaches, um, I have to be delicate about this. Is it fair to say that the relationships or the dating experience
  32. 10:53 of of young men and women today Why it first of all it's reported widely that it's very difficult. Um do you agree with that? And and why is it so difficult? Why are so many young men lonely? Why are a lot of young women in contra distinction to
  33. 11:15 what red pillars say um where they say every woman is promiscuous, high body count, etc. Um actually we know that a lot of young women are celibate correct or there's increasing celibacy. So why why are these things happening? Why is it so difficult for young men and women to
  34. 11:34 relate to each other? Um and why are we becoming increasingly celibate? I don't know if that's a question you can answer in a question but I think it requires a different separate interview. Yeah. But in a nutshell first of all promiscuity is a myth. The frequency of sex has been
  35. 11:50 declining precipitously over the past 20 years. And among people younger than 35 years old, the frequency of sex is much lower than and among baby boomers. Also, the number of sexual partners is lower in the population, the cohort under 35 years old. Younger people have
  36. 12:13 much less sex fewer times with fewer sexual partners. Promiscuity is dead. Second thing, only two to 5% depending on the study of women would be characterized as promiscuous. And the definition is women who have had more than nine sexual partners prior to age 20. That's that's
  37. 12:39 5% less than 5%. That's less than 5%. Typically 3% depending on the study. There's been a single study with 5%. That's far lower than commonly believed then. That's yeah far lower than commonly believed. And the actual average of sexual partners per woman in
  38. 12:58 the industrialized world is depending on the country between four and seven. um lifong lifelong which is still a hell of a lot more than than perhaps our grandmothers but a lot less than baby boomers a lot less than baby boomers by the way. So um promiscuity
  39. 13:25 aside, there's been a major transformation of women. Women have become men and we live in a uni-gender world. Whereas prior to the 1980s, 1990s, we had two genders. Genders are a social construct. They're socially constructed. They are performative. It's a performance. You're
  40. 13:47 born and you're told to behave as a boy or you're told to behave as a girl. This is indoctrin indoctrination. It's inculcated in you. It's part of the socialization process. Gender should not be confused with sex. Sex has to do with genitalia. Sex
  41. 14:04 is a biological thing. I reject the notion of sex assigned at birth. That's nonsense. It's genitalia basically. It's biological. But biological sex does not necessarily go in hand hand inhand with gender. There are definitely multiple hundreds of societies and cultures where
  42. 14:25 genders are much more fluid and have a lot less to do with your biology, with your genitalia. There are even societies where a woman can choose to be a man. For example, in northern Albania, believe it or not. So until the 1990s, we had two genders.
  43. 14:46 They were clear, they were demarcated. We had scripts. The scripts informed us how to behave, how to flirt, how to how to become a husband, how to become a wife, and so on so forth. The scripts were highly stereotyped. Definitely the gender roles as they're called were highly
  44. 15:02 stereotyped and highly performative. The per it was a performance. It was like a theater production. You had to wear specific clothes and the clothing was a form of signaling. You had to behave in a specific way. You had to say no. You even if you wanted, you had to say yes
  45. 15:17 even if you didn't want to, etc. It's and there was this, you know, so this this was a highly an environment with a very high level of certainty. You knew how to behave. You knew what was expected and you knew what the outcome would be. Guom model more or less if you
  46. 15:35 didn't deviate too much from the sexual scripts and social scripts expectations mores norms and conventions the outcomes were more or less the same. So it was a highly predictable environment. Then in the 1990s a revolution started in terms of gender roles. It was partly
  47. 15:54 deconstructed intentionally by acade academics and partly it was grassroots a natural extension of feminism. Second wave feminism became third wave feminism. Third wave feminism became fourth. And what has happened is women decided to become men widely
  48. 16:14 decided to become men. We are not talking about a fringe phenomenon. And when I say they decided to become men, I'm not talking only about wearing uh trousers or pants. I'm talking about self-concept or self-perception. In 1980, we conducted a study and we asked women to describe
  49. 16:35 themselves using nine adjectives and they chose nine adjectives which conformed to stereotypical gender roles. So they chose compassionate, loving, caring, empathic, feminine, while men in the same study chose adjectives such as competitive, ambitious, aggressive. You
  50. 16:57 know, fast forward to 200, I think 21 or something like that. I don't remember the exact uh year. Fast forward like few decades, women were asked the same question. Studies by Lisa Wade and others ask the same question. This time women adopted male masculine adjectives ex
  51. 17:23 exclusively all eight out of nine eight out of nine adjectives used by women. These are giant studies. One of them involved more than a million women. Eight out of nine chose what used to be stereotypically male adjectives, including aggressive, competitive, go-getter, and so
  52. 17:45 on. So, it was women who decided to become men because women reached the rational conclusion that men had it better. Men were more free, men had more opportunities, men were judged less. or or more charitably charitably men men had it had it going men control the
  53. 18:09 world men owned the world and they wanted to be men and so they transformed their identity women transformed their identity I'm not blaming anyone it's a historical process and they became men it started long time ago it started 150 years ago and then in the two in the two
  54. 18:26 world wars there were no men and women became men they worked in factories and you know they did When the main men returned, women were already in the workforce and they became consumers which capitalism liked a lot. So capitalism egged women on wanted them
  55. 18:43 to continue to become consumers and and capitalism is the antithesis of intimacy and family. We can come to it at some other time. So now we have a ungender. We have two types of men. Men with penises and men with vaginas. And that creates major
  56. 19:06 problems. Major. For example, in terms of aggression. If you're a woman and you are playing the stereotypical gender role, male aggression would be perceived as flattering, as a positive thing. The man is going after you. He's hunting you. You're not the prey. You're the desired
  57. 19:27 object. When you're a stereotypical tadw wife, yeah, when the man is aggressive with you, flirts with you aggressively, that's something to look forward to. It's a compliment. But when you're also a man, the male aggression is just that, aggression. So, this creates conflict
  58. 19:49 and adversarial attitude. Me too. You have me too. And today, young men justifiably are terrified to date. They're afraid to approach women. I'm talking about studies. This is not anecdotal speculations. Studies show that young men are terrified to approach
  59. 20:12 women. There are all these rumors about, you know, a woman can accuse you of rape or can it's crazy out there. Simply a terrifying scene. You know, it's a terrifying scene. So there's a weaponization of the legal system. Sometimes rarely justified vast majority of cases
  60. 20:32 not. But from the female point of view, from the woman's point of view, it is justified because I'm a man. How dare you do this to me? How dare you attack me before I give you permission? I'm a man now. You don't get to do this to me. I'm no longer a woman. You know there's
  61. 20:50 a change in mindset which is fundamental colossal and and men men don't perceive this. Men generally I'm generalizing. We don't perceive this. Even me I'm supposedly aware. I'm analyzing it. I don't perceive it. I I can't internalize. I can't it's not in me.
  62. 21:09 It's not I don't have what Freud called insight. I don't really digest this. Men, young and old, regardless of age, regardless of culture, regardless of society, religion, you name it, they are agast, they become defensive, and then they become aggressive. They want to
  63. 21:28 roll back the time, roll back time. They want to reverse the clock. They want to they become reactionary. And they they think that they can reimpose stereotypical gender roles on women. It's too late. We have lost this. Unfortunately, we have also lost charm, the charm in the
  64. 21:53 pursuit, the attraction and any motivation and incentive to establish anything long-term whatsoever. Also, of course, we lost the motivation to have children because children are a disproportional asymmetrical burden on the stereotypical woman. The new woman, the uni-gender
  65. 22:19 woman, the men with vagina would perceive children as an imposition, a form of imprisonment, an unfair division of labor. when you're a man. I mean, try to put yourself in the place of a woman as a man. Now, think of a woman as a man. Would you have agreed to any of this? I
  66. 22:41 I doubt it. It's um and so I think having lost the classical gender roles and not replaced them with anything, it's not that we have redefined women. Women are imitating, by the way, the worst men. Women are imitating psychopaths. Women are imitating bullies. Women are imitating
  67. 23:05 narcissists. They are not imitating hardworking, honest men. They're imitating the scum of men because this were the men who mistreated chauvinists basically. Yeah. The chauvinist speaks. They're imitating these men because these were their abusers. These men were the abusers. And
  68. 23:27 now women said, "I'm going to be the abuser from now on." This is a very common reaction in abuse in in the when we study abuse and trauma, we know that one of the most common reactions is when the the victim says, "I'm going to be the the abuser
  69. 23:46 from now on." Pathological narcissism is when the child says, "I'm being abused. I'm being traumatized. I'm being mistreated. And from now on, no one is going to do this to me anymore. I'm going to become the abuser. And that's exactly what women are doing. Women are saying these
  70. 24:05 psychopaths, these narcissists, they abused us. We are going to become psychopaths and narcissists even more than they have ever been. And this is the situation now. It's a war. It's a gender war. What dating are what what is dating? What dating are you talking about? It's a war
  71. 24:22 zone. dating apps. By the way, the Pareto [ __ ] is [ __ ] That's not true. No studies. There have been like 2,000 studies. Not one has found this Pareto division. Like 20% of the men take 80% of the women or vice versa or whatever. That's nonsense. There's no grounds in
  72. 24:41 reality. It's not true. Actually, multiple studies in the past 10 years show that women prefer what the red pillars call beta males because women are now ambitious and competitive. They want submissive men. They don't want alpha men. On the very contrary, if there is any parto,
  73. 25:03 it's exactly the opposite. So, and that that applies to one night one night stands as well. We have studies of casual sex and we found that the majority of women select subservient submissive losers for one night stands because they just want to
  74. 25:20 use the bodies. They masturbate with the bodies. So fascinating. Yeah, that's a picture. It's uh not a nice picture. Very dark picture. Yeah, it is a dark picture. Yeah. Professor, thank you so much for your time. I'd love to talk to you again about that issue in
  75. 25:37 particular. Um, but your insights are amazing. Um, I know you have four different YouTube channels. Your main one, Professor Sam Vachnan at this point, thousands of hours of of informative, wonderful lectures that people can check out. Um, stop can't stop talking. Thank you.
  76. 26:03 Well, thank you so much for your time and I I hope to talk to you again. Thank you.
Facebook
X
LinkedIn
WhatsApp

Summary Link:

https://vakninsummaries.com/ (Full summaries of Sam Vaknin’s videos)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/mediakit.html (My work in psychology: Media Kit and Press Room)

Bonus Consultations with Sam Vaknin or Lidija Rangelovska (or both) http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/ctcounsel.html

http://www.youtube.com/samvaknin (Narcissists, Psychopaths, Abuse)

http://www.youtube.com/vakninmusings (World in Conflict and Transition)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com (Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/cv.html (Biography and Resume)

Summary

Is it fair to say that the relationships or the dating experience of of young men and women today Why it first of all it's reported widely that it's very difficult. So, it was women who decided to become men because women reached the rational conclusion that men had it better. or or more charitably charitably men men had it had it going men control the world men owned the world and they wanted to be men and so they transformed their identity women transformed their identity I'm not blaming anyone it's a historical process and they became men it started long time ago it started 150 years ago and then in the two in the two world wars there.

Tags

If you enjoyed this article, you might like the following:

Strange Things, Indeed! (with Gregory Maass)

In this meeting, Sam Vaknin discussed his theories on narcissistic abuse and personality disorders, exploring complex topics such as the nature of consciousness, the wave function collapse in quantum mechanics, and the psychological underpinnings of creativity and art. He emphasized the limitations of scientific understanding regarding mental events and consciousness,

Read More »

From Reality To Techno-fantasy (Compilation, Part 2)

The speaker, Sam Vaknin, discusses the detrimental impact of modern technology and artificial intelligence (AI) on human empathy, social interactions, and the rise of narcissism, comparing both AI and narcissists as entities that simulate human behavior without genuine understanding or emotion. He warns against the dangers of AI’s control over

Read More »

Are All Gamblers Narcissists? (+Sports Betting) (Gambling Disorder with Brian Pempus)

The discussion explored the complex psychological dynamics of gambling disorder, distinguishing it from professional gambling and emphasizing its nature as a process addiction linked to reward systems rather than impulse control or compulsion. The conversation highlighted strong associations between gambling disorder and personality disorders like narcissistic, antisocial, and borderline personality

Read More »

From Drama, Recklessness to Risk Aversion (in Psychopathic Personalities)

The discussion focused on the behavioral evolution of individuals with psychopathic and narcissistic traits, highlighting how their reckless, thrill-seeking behaviors tend to diminish with age, often transforming into more pro-social, risk-averse tendencies. This transition is theorized to involve neurobiological changes and the psychological process of sublimation, where aggressive impulses are

Read More »

Intoxicated in Narcissist’s Shared Fantasy (EXCERPTS with NATV)

The discussion focused on the isolating and manipulative nature of narcissism, describing how narcissists create a detached, idealized reality that traps their victims, cutting them off from meaningful connections and reality checks. It was highlighted that narcissism is a global, pervasive phenomenon exacerbated by societal shifts such as technological isolation,

Read More »

Young Politician? BEWARE of This! (Political Academy)

The speaker addressed young aspiring politicians, warning them about the harsh realities of politics, emphasizing the importance of staying true to oneself despite temptations of corruption and power. He outlined the different types of politicians and political strategies, while stressing that youth is a liability in politics, with limited pathways

Read More »